I’m gonna go with disproportion.
A warning shot (smack) may have been more reasonable, but I’m not in context, and understanding that you love me, I find it hard to believe that you don’t care.
That’s my kidding voice there, Son
The fact that this guy is a SUPER HEAVYWEIGHT and the girl he clocked is maybe a flyweight is the thing that stands out to me as disproportionate. It appears that he could have just as easily blocked the punch she clearly telegraphed she was about to throw. The ease at which he would have blocked the punch and the fact that she would have no doubt felt completely out matched I believe would have had the desired result of tampering down the situation.
I hope that the younger generation that gets away with online bullying and the shit talking and hiding on social media , and everybody gets a trophy generation. Life does hit back and if your going to step up to plate especially in a fight with the mentality life is fair and a ego that let’s you show off and let’s you think your going to beat a man twice your size and you have no training in any type of fighting. If you did you would have not even been in the middle of something that stupid clearly could have been avoided by leaving.The real world it does not matter who you are life hits back and kicks your ass. Smarten up younger generation if your going be in a street fight know it’s not going to be fair and you could die.Your ego can get you killed or badly hurt . I hope lesson was learned by everyone involved.
This is very well said. It is unfortunate. I hope she isn’t really hurt. I hope she is really changed. You are on point, he was no threat to her. She rushed him aggressively.
Attitude meets reality.
I wish it were different.
More than one person who gangs up on someone in South Carolina
is called a “Lynching” and ANY means necessary to protect yourself
is perfectly Legal.
This poor guy didn’t have time to “Test” which response he should use
He was in an un-winnable situation. He did what was necessary to de-escalate the threat.
Buddy is going to get into some serious shit in the legal system. At least a fine and suspended sentence..
If you are the kind of person who felt threatened by this, you are a coward. And are probably a typical american subconscious racist. There were no weapons out (knife out that’s a different story, get ready to be KOD by papa legit)
The guy was the aggressor basically. He pushed her hard, it was obvious that she was not a threat at all.. i didn’t even see her raise her hands to defend herself from the left bomb. She had kind like raised her hands up a second after she got pushed and walked towards him with hands down.
That was EXCESSIVE. EVEN A COP COULDNT GET AWAY WITH THAT!
People who say she came in swinging are blind, look at it frame by frame.
Buddy is fucked, probably going to get raped and or extorted for his commisary by her cousins.
Believe me, im all for defending yourself.. Even if that was a group of boys, you cant go dropping the A BOMB on them right off the bat.. the looked about 13 or 14 and even if they connected with the most powerful shot i doubt it would have damaged him..
The push WAS her warning shot. Then , if you look careful you see her arms go up into fight mode and she charges right in on him like she is gonna take a swing. If I’m on the jury he walks.
And then having to deal with eye gouging ext? In my opinion giving one a feeling their out matched just makes them more vicious. And not stopping them just encourages them to continue, because “hey, the guy I’m assaulting isn’t going to hurt me, so I can do what ever I want”.
THE GUY WAS A OFF DUTY COP!!!
name DAVID STEPHEN BELL
asshole is going down
and is goign to take dickcs in prisonnnn
We need more people to show these little fucks they cant get away with shit just cuz their minors. I’ll be the first to nm put them in their place !! Jailtime or no.
ALSO SHE WAS 11. YES.. ELEVEN YEARS OLD
to all you people saying hes in the right..
yeah.. great.. youre all fucking cowards.. and you have never been in a 5 on 1 fight with legal aged oppenents.. so you should all just shut up and go read on how to fight on the net and thnikn youre tough guys
ALSO SHE WAS 11. YES.. ELEVEN YEARS OLD
right wrong.. whatever… people are thinking differently..
but.. Would TRAV had done that? NO. Would any self respecting martial artist? NO.
I mite be crazy. But if your going to be violent and assault someone; you shouldn’t get to decide how your victim respond.
You brought them to a place they never wanted to be, you don’t get to decide how they escape it.
Don’t play stupid games, and you won’t win stupid prizes.
She didn’t think he would do anything, because the laws favore her against him. So she attacked with no fear.
If she knew he would fight back, she wouldn’t have ever attacked. Everything avoided, nobody visiting the shadow realm.
Stupid laws make stupid people feel safe doing stupid things.
Eh, fuck those kids. You want to act wild, you’ll find out what wild really is.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
Whenever someone complains about getting their ass kicked the question that I pose is “what happened right before that ass kicking?”
It was a tough lesson for her for sure, but from the looks of things it was tough lesson time.
This whining about disproportionate force is tiring. These girls want to take on a guy and a large guy at that because they are brave in numbers and believe that their pussy pass gives the carte blanche. Blocking or a warning slap will only spur the others on and how long before the guy is glassed.
An overwhelming display of force is what will shock the rest into reconsidering their life choices in the immediate future and deescalate the situation.
To the guys white knighting here. Would you in that position go after a guy like that? If not why not? Probably because you know what the likely outcome is even if you are a little guy you won’t get a mild ass whipping you know that you’ll get smacked into next week. Why any different for these girls?
yall people are blind
bitch came at him hands down to get in his face some more..
and well see who is right or wrong if we ever see the court determination..
i think hes fucked..
“You want me show though? I’LL SHOW YOU THOUGH.”
I don’t think anybody is in the right here unfortunately. One thing is certain her clock is completely cleaned now. ??
Is it OK to hit a girl/lady…..I guess given the threat level it is up to each to decide how to escalate……yes, I know….thanks Cpt. Obvious.
Don’t have full context but wow….sure put her into the hurt locker. That gal will be eating through a straw for a while!
Ok it’s to much …the got arrested and he will get screwed and on some level he should …HOWEVER…this goes in the category of if you play stupid games you win stupid prizes …people especially young people think they can just do and say and minirly assault anyone as long as it justifies there (feeling rare immaturity) or whatever. They never consider that there are people that don’t give a care about their drama and if you push to hard guess what you might get messed up…..idk ……I guess she won’t do that again …lmao
He’s probably going to do some time as it looked like he could’ve pushed through and walked away. If they followed (and they probably would have), I’d say they would’ve been more of a threat. Who knows. At least these chicks will think twice next time.
He was accosted by multiple attackers and literally assaulted already… I’m in unbelief that this can even be questionable. If you go out looking to mob people, you deserve far worse than that.
He was completely in the wrong, he shouldn’t have even involved himself, that’s what mall security is for. He basically started a fight with a bunch of under age girls, children mind you, instead of minding his own business. He knocked out a child, what a champ.
I believe in equal rights for women, and equal lefts
How did he pick a fight? He was just standing there they were all screaming at him she pushed him first so he shoved her to get her off of himself she then tried to punch him instinct kicked in and he got her 1st
You’re a fool… they’re a bunch of kids behaving like pack animals .
Someone taught chaim a lesson…Great!
He should get a medal!
How do you know he got involved with something that didn’t concern him, or started the fight?
There is no context. It just shows a man facing a mob of mouthy, pushy teens threatening him and his family.
Great left, chivalry only applies to those who know how to spell it.
Hilarious! I haven’t heard that one before. Pure gold.
The awesome one
I day its definently his father brain kicking in. Girls these days think they can harass families, due to Mary Sue’s and bad media advice. So much crap is being shown that some girls actually believe it. This man was in so much fear for his wife, especially his kid, that he instinctively acted without realizing how much force he was delivering. His heart beat was like 150 per minute or something and he was acting in gross motor movements. Who should be arrested? Bad parents and the media for brain washing those kids. Not the parent who was in such fear, who did what he could. After all, didnt these girls want gender equality? If they didnt want to be beaten by a grown man, then stop with the fantasies and act proper. Their actions have consequences and while the poor father will serve some time in jail, I hope those brats will think more and realize their stupid lives are meaningless unless they make a change for the better.
I agree with you ? and might I just add that I feel that those girls should be brought up on harassment and misconduct charges as well as gang enhancement charges for being in a group of 8+ people.
At least he didn’t wind up… In the heat of the moment how does a person calculate the appropriate amount of force based on gender, age, size, aggression level? He seemed a bit overwhelmed by the whole scene.
Respect your elders kids, definitely interested in seeing how this shakes out.
Never worth “doing time” for something like that. They will rip him in court. A knife attack by the little girl is an example of what would be justified to use that level of force in a court of law. The only time that “doing time” is worth the risk, is if your loved ones and/or yourself is in imminent danger of death or severe bodily harm. Remember, the court must be convinced that your perceptions were real and not an excuse. That itself is a crap shoot.
IMO, it’s straight up logical fallacy to say it was a “disproportionate response” the standard in which this is established needs a revision.
So, let me get this straight, say if some 300 lb dude that’s 6’4” shoved me and decides to relentlessly assault/taunt me, and knowing that I got no chance in hell, why would I opt for an option of retaliation that still leaves a good chance for him to become even more feral and amp up his attack? I realize this isn’t the same context, but the principle applies regardless..
Point is, It simply isn’t human nature to respond PROPORTIONATELY in a situation where you’re being ganged up on and you feel threatened. You’re are GOING to make the decision that you BELIEVE will put an end to that escalation, “Dispropornate” or not.
Saying that you need to respond in a proportionate way is like saying you need to fight fair in a street fight. I’ll let you decide how asinine that is.
Come at me, bros.
You said it. The gal who came back at him instead of realizing her actions have consequences, and stay out of trouble, defiantly not to be the one who causes it, is a good advice to anyone. Plus he didn’t totally blow it out of proportion. Someone else might have continued to ground and pound.
I believe that once a situation has gone physical, it won’t end in regular street fight, until one of the fighters is beaten and realizes it and that happens mostly only when that one is beaten to good stop. Thus if you don’t want to get hurt even by small and week fighter (scratched eyes ext) you want the fight to end as fast as possible. Which is what we saw here instinctively.
The optics of her being knocked flat in response to heckling and pushing and shoving are terrible for his impending legal issues. 911 would have perhaps been of no practical use. Would it have been better to sustain clawing and scratching, get that captured on video so he could press assault charges?, vs him getting locked him? Very tough deal.
Absolutely deserved. When a group attacks you, a single person, every move is alright to defend yourself. I love how he smacks her soul right out of her body.
Cant stop laughing
Clearly she self-identified as a 300 lb Street Fighter with Superior martial arts skills. That being said seems she has the right to step into the ring with whoever she likes. Just because she brought her own audience doesn’t guarantee a win. Better luck next time girly
We don’t see what was going on except for a very limited view. A court will hear everything from the start to the last few seconds that was captured in the video. True, that was a big man versus a much smaller, younger girl but when she stepped to him with her hands up like that, he was justified in repelling the attack, and he didn’t continue assaulting her with kicking/stomping. I wonder if the tables were turned, if she had managed to knock him out or if one of her friends did, if the attack would have continued like they typically do in situations on the street like that.I wish there was more background on that story.
Fascinating how quick people are to come to the decision of a disproportionate response. And that’s the same problem with this being analyzed in the comfort of a court room with armed bailiffs and court decorum protecting the jury from violence. I don’t know the full context. It would be fascinating to learn the background criminal history on some of these kids in the video. This is a video of seconds where the man is surrounded by a pack of wild kids. The video shows how obviously none of the kids cared about authority and they thought they had complete control without repercussion. How is he to know he wasn’t going to be knifed in the back if he kept playing patty cake with the girl or if someone was going to play knockout game with his wife? I do think based on what I saw the safer course of action would be to direct the family through the pack and if they try to stop it be forceful in the escape. But I don’t know the context of the event, was not jacked with adrenaline in fight or flight mode, and did not have my family threatened. Did they really think they could surround and push an adult around with no recourse?
michael m michener
They are all lucky this didn,t happen to a cop because she would have probably been shot.
I’m older than …say 50. Girls have changed. Maybe somehow they have more testosterone? I witnessed when my kids were in school…girls in high school much more aggressive than in my day. Something biologically is different? Self defense is self defense. This man was clearly being threatened. He was justified. Remember. I’m older. I’ve lived a warrior life. USMC combat veteran. I establish credibility before one judges. Unless you’ve been there….hold your opinion until you’ve been there. Also a parent of both adult boys and a girl. Maybe this man did what this girl’s parents didn’t do….
I would’ve liked to have had a LOT more OBJECTIVE information as to what happened BEFORE the camera starts recording. There had to have been some sort of “lead-up” to all this, whether it was a name which was called out, or perhaps someone bumped into someone else or – – – ? The point is, without that “BEFORE” information, it’s quite hard to assign proportionate blame here, and at least part of the footage is fairly shaky and veers off the action for several (important) seconds. ………………………………………………………………………………………….. Having equivocated like this above, I will state UN-equivocally that in my book at least, there should be something called the “Who Started It First?” Rule. It’s much like the one I lived with growing up. When you look at disputes from children on up and it begins to escalate out of control, one of the accusations you would always hear was “He/She started it 1st!” I think that’s not a bad place to begin to assign blame. Everyone has an obligation to Mind Their Own Business around Strangers. ……………………………………………………………………………………………………………….That means you Don’t Speak to Strangers, and you certainly NEVER touch any stranger! Should be obvious, but that seems to be the prelude to 99% of ALL fights. Someone mouths off some sort of negative and then it plummets downhill from there. Then there’s the 2nd half of the equation, “Which stranger actually made PHYSICAL CONTACT first?” No matter how slight, if you touch me, YOU are responsible for Escalating the altercation for the Verbal to the Physical realm……………………………………………………………………………… I wish the Law were more clear on that. Instigating a Verbal confrontation is in itself clearly stupid & unwarranted, & you can always walk away, but as soon as name calling crosses over to the single push, then it enters the legal phase of “Assault”. ………………………………………………………………….. Some may scream “Invasion of Privacy!” but if I were king, there’s be Surveillance Cameras in ALL public places 24×7. People can do whatever the hell they want in their own homes, yell, scream, smoke pot, play terrible music or have wild sex. However,. as soon as any of that spills over out of your home or apt and into the street or MY home or apt (especially the NOISE part!) then it’s all fair game & you’ve broken the law. That’s my 2cents+.
She was coming at him to punch him so he punched her first. She appears to have had no concept of self imposed consequences. There’s a reason we don’t jump into the gorilla enclosure at the zoo. And they always shoot the gorilla.
The way I see it that I would not attack a guy twice my size, because I’d be KTFO. But girls, simply by virtue of being female, sometimes think they can try to physically intimidate a much larger and stronger man because they’re safe from being punched.
That said, he REALLY smacked her one, and maybe could have followed a less vicious course of action. There were no winners here, kids.
Women can knock a man out if they hit you on the right spot. I’ve seen it. Plus, what if these bitches have a weapon. Also consider the possibility that the longer you argue with them, the more you run into a white-knight soy boy who will “defend” these bitches just because they are women.
You can argue about his the degree of escalation but in my opinion his actions are warranted, considering his family is behind and terrified.
Teens nowadays are out of control, no question about it. So I personally think she deserved it and I hope more teens will see this video and maybe reconsider their behavior. Unfortunately the guy will definitely bear some serious consequences.
Everyone seem to look over the fact that these girls are minors. A guy his size punching a teenage girl. Hard it’s definitely Beyond the realm of reality. She could have died from that punch. Not to justify her or her friend’s actions. He was wrong to get involved in whatever was going on. He is not the authority and he has no say and he can only push hard enough to keep himself safe. You’re a fool to get involved with a group of teenagers like this. I got into it one night with one other adult male at my back. 15 or 18 teenagers with skateboards. I did pretty good but the guy with me did not fare so well
Steven the Heathen
Who’s to say the girl (or girls) didn’t threaten them with knives…Hope to see the court’s decision (and all the facts) in the future…Good shot though.
He had every right to protect himself and his family. These girls need to be locked up
These feral groups are showing off to each other and believe it or not find it highly entertaining and funny to bully, intimidate and assault a family. If they are not stopped things will become far worse.
Damn… Did she die?
Down goes Frazier
If he was preparing to be attacked from all overwhelming angles with certainty that they could cause harm to that small child it doesn’t matter if they could cause harm to him. I would imagine the same principles apply for multiple attackers take out the leader fast and hard. Papa bear mode activated.
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I’ll bet she doesn’t do that again.
[email protected] I say good for him and she got the $;)@& knocked out. She got what she deserved.
It’s good to see South Paw tactics!!
Personally I would slip to the left and feint a “I like your shoes”
Followed by a knock out shot “nice hair”
She would knock herself out at this point!
I didn’t hit back. I’ll have brain damage for the rest of my life. The law never touched her. It’s a social issue that plagues us. We’re raised to never raise our hands, so we don’t, and as we witness in this video and others like it, there are a minority of women who take full advantage of it. Female domestic abuse of men is an epidemic, and there is no recourse, nowhere for a man to find help. A man is shamed for allowing “his woman” to hit him. He is mocked by the public, even laughed at during a public assault. So is it okay for a small man to smack a big guy around? Friends and family feel powerless, if not ashamed. Social services are set up only to serve women victims of domestic violence. And the law will at best “remove” the man from a home for 24 hours when the neighbors call the cops, at worst arrest him. Men are prone to staying in an abusive relationship the same as women are. Classic codependence. “I can fix this, right?” Formerly a successful professional, I now struggle with memory lapse, word finding, basic problem solving, and fine motor skills. Just yesterday I couldn’t figure out how to operate my DVD player. And for what? For not defending myself. What is the answer? How far to take it? To what degree? Because no matter what, I would have gone to jail. But at least I wouldn’t be on disability for the rest of my life. And within this new life, I have discovered that my path is littered with other men who have suffered the same fate, more men than I could have ever imagined.
Take some solace in the fact that you can still tell a really moving story dude. I feel for you.
If you’re facing a group you can’t run away from I thought the first rule was to take out the first person fast. Shoving this girl didn’t scare her off and I’m pretty sure if he just started shoving the rest away they would have moved in. They may have been teenage girls but as a group they could have beaten him easily.
I’m gonna say this
Welcome to REALITY!
At the end of the day he was surrounded by increasingly aggressive females who were closing in while his family was ALSO potentially in Danger.
So I hope ALL of those females learned that You cant predict what level of Violence you will receive when you threaten someone else with Violence
That punk was TOTALLY in the wrong, and he deserves to be horse whipped for hitting that helpless little girl. U gotta remember, young girls will be girls; they lack maturity. Tarzan didn’t like their attitude, so he should have MANNED UP and walked away from them! Now after a family member sees the video, he set himself up for a Major beating, as well as assault charges , and a trip to jail.
If I had been there, I would have either pepper sprayed him, or given him a beating myself — and all 100% legally, as I would be TAKING HIM OUT as a way of protecting the children.
Damn Sorcerer, you want to give any more power to people who are doing criminal behavior? Did you somehow miss the part where that “helpless little girl” had ever chance to stay away, but chose to come back at the guy like Jr. Golden Glove Girl? All I know is when all the mobs laughter turned to screams of “Oh my god, Oh my god” that was the sweet sound of idiots learning a valuable lesson.
Mark, your missing my point in a number of ways. I don’t care if that little girl (a minor) provoked him. ITS AGAINST THE LAW TO HIT A MINOR UNDER ***ANY** CIRCUMSTANCES dude !!!
Mark, what u fail to realize is these minors have the law ON THEIR SIDE. I DONT CARE what a minors do to provoke you (aside from threatening your life with a deadly weapon, which isn’t the case here) … YOU DONT HIT / STRIKE A MINOR, A LITTLE GIRL !!!! PERIOD!!!
That asshole lacked the mental / emotional “toughness'” (discipline) to keep his “Tarzan Ego” out of it. He should have had the ‘mental toughness’ to simply walk away.
Sorcerer, I don’t advocate guys hitting girls, but what I saw in the video was an acception. He already had the ‘mental toughness and he already ‘MANNED UP’ by protecting his family and himself. What he did is what you call SELF DEFENSE. In this case walking away would have been COWARDACE. The bitch got what she deserved. That ‘darling little girl’ was stupid enough to provoke that man by getting in his face and did not respect her elders along with her friends. People like you are out to feminize men. There’s no such thing as a male ego a Tarzan ego and toxic masculinity. You are a dumb retard. Keith
SHE WAS 11 YEARS OLD.
His family didnt seem that distressed, or threatened by these other girls.. they were probably fucking classmates
Yes but how were their form? Lol
I was a prosecutor for a while. I had to decide cases like this. If a cop brought this to me AND there was no other backstory, then I would not prosecute him. If this is the only evidence then he defended himself reasonably under the circumstances (not a proportionate response, though some states may have that rule). The general rule under California self-defense law is that you are only allowed to use as much force as is necessary to combat the force being used against you. However, if you have previously been threatened by your attacker, you are entitled to act more quickly and with more force than someone who has not been threatened.
She attacked him and he pushed her away. But he did not escalate it. She did when she approached with her fists raised indicating that she was going to punch him. He threw one punch. He seems to have stopped there. That is reasonable. As we all know from the Fighting Bigger People videos, a small person can hurt a bigger person. So he had a right to stop her.
WRONG Jerry !!!!! I can see why ur no longer a ‘proscutor’ !! Lol
He’s at least 2 twice her size, and at least 10 times stronger than her, and she a minor, and your going to side with him???….,hmmmm……it’s no wonder ur not representing any City, or County as a ‘proscutor’.
I remember reading somewhere that it’s justified to KILL an attacker as a proportionate response, if 1) the attacker has a knife, 2) if there are multiple attackers. There are multiple attackers here, and whether the above information is correct or not, my opinion is that he’s already been assaulted by multiple people, there was no telling how far they were willing to go with it anyway, and his child and wife were at possible danger too. No matter your age, you can’t push people around, it constitutes an assault, and the assaulted has the right to defend him/herself even if the other person merely walks up to his/her face, and rightly so. We all have the right to be safe and stupid, violent kids must be locked down and physically hurt if that’s what it takes for respectful people to be safe and for these fuckers to know how to behave in a civilized way. If he goes to jail after this, it’s the PC culture to blame.
Few thoughts on this..
– He could have defended himself differently. The Ivan Drago haymaker was not necessary.
– He was surrounded. An unaware if one of them had a weapon. Can’t blame him for defending himself and feeling an eacalated level of threat..especially with his family here.
– The girl has no fear of getting hit..because she knows she can come in throwing any punch she wants because the unwritten rule is..men can’t hit women…period.
– Women are not pushovers. We have extremely tough, skilled, strong women in MMA/UFC.
– I wonder if she runs into the Demagorgon in the Shadow Realm and needs the Stranger Things kids to find her and wake her up.
– Trav..you are right. There are mitigating circumstances in every situation. As the father of two daughters it sickens me to see this. But I was not in his shoes. Good share.
Wow, so many legal and moral experts in the comments section. I’m baffled how people are so naive to sit there and criticize a situation they clearly haven’t been in.
A threat is not established by what genitalia you have. If you intend on doing harm to someone, especially when your thug friends might jump into the mix, you deserve to taste the pavement.
The video is too short to know the full details on the story but in this day and age where women want to act like men, they must also accept the consequences.
Good Shot. Brats today think they can screw with anyone and suffer no consequences. To hell with that., I don’t pick on females but if one gets rough with me, I will retaliate.
I wonder where this happened. I don’t want to go there.
Wow, what an unfortunate position to be in.
Having no other info and just going off what I saw, sure he smashed the hell out of her but from a self defence perspective, he probably did the right thing. Surrounded by a co-ordinated gang, pushed one away to create distance and when she rushed back at him, he struck. You don’t think she pushed him as hard as she could? He didn’t wind up and there wasn’t much follow through so I don’t think he actually put a lot of force into it, she was just completely unprepared for it. Plus it looks like it worked, the rest of the ran….looks like its true what they say about bullies….
As a new father myself, I know my perspective has changed a LOT and would be very different to myself of 2 years ago pre fatherhood….you do get very VERY protective of your kid/s and I can imagine if my family/kid was surrounded by a group (even girls) that were effectively attacking me already, I’d probably do something similar to make sure my family is safe.
1. They are old enough to know they should not be doing this, they were clearly using the fact they were youngish and girls in the belief he wouldn’t defend his family and to see what they could get away with.
2. I guarantee if those girls didn’t taunt, and lets face it, physically assault the guy, I REALLY doubt he would ever have just clocked her for no reason. They instigated or at least elevated it to a physical confrontation by pushing him.
3. How was he to know this obviously very aggressive gang didn’t have knives or other weapons? If it turns out she or some of them had knives would his punch be justified?
3. He did shove her away first and she marched straight back in directly at him, thats when he hit her.
4. Something tells me she will never do anything like that again….maybe he made the world a slightly better place?
He will probably get smashed in court but I feel sorry for him, he never would have been in that situation if they didn’t start it.
I DONT KNOW WHAT HAPPENED B4 HE PUSHED HER THEN HIT HER…. WHAT I DO KNOW,IS IF WOMEN SPITS ON ME, THROWS A DRINK ON ME, OR HITS ME SHE BETTER WATCH THE FUCK OUT…..
Ooooh….. maybe a body shot, take the wind out of her.
Dam, she went down hard!
If nothing else, the utter difference of opinion on this page is pretty interesting.
I see the decision making as falling into 2 different categories:
1. What is the appropriate action so that you make it home alive
2. What are the legal consequences of that decision
Clearly the calculus of ‘making it home alive’ takes precedence. It just sucks to find yourself in a situation where to do that, you might be taking an action that will result in jail time.
Fuck if I know what I would have done in this situation. In general I’m pretty good with diffusing tension with teens, but context is everything. We have no idea if this dude started it AND escalated it or what. Or what part of town this took place, etc. There is so little to go off, and too many factors.
Assuming that he neither started it NOR escalated (which I find unlikely), his response seems appropriate for an ‘out of the blue’ mob attack. If he started it AND escalated (my best guess), then his response seems pretty disproportionate. And again, he lived to make it home. I wouldn’t want to be the guy who didn’t take appropriate action only to get knifed because I misjudged.
Due to the complexity of the situation and the unreliability of the footage, it’s just so hard to say. I really wish I could have seen the buildup and aftermath.
Thank you Trav! Great post for a challenging topic.
‘I’d rather be judged by 12, than carried by 6’
I watched this 5 times over and laughed about 4 times. To the point now: Watching this video from where it is filmed, I would have not hit the girl. His actions are a bit too much. Now, with other comments from here though – we don’t know what happened before that. For example: An older guy tries to sell his cell phone in the mall to younger guy. The younger guy takes the phone, basically steals it and runs away screaming first: Pedophile please help me!” People who don’t know what is happening will initially believe the thief. So in defence to this guy we may say that the events lead him to a high emotion state where he felt threatened – he felt like a lion attacked by hyenas. Well if he would have done this without his family beside him, I would have said he is in trouble.
Sorry..if I’m alone …a group of girls can get away with all the pushing and asualting they want.. I might even run..but if my kids are with me your very lucky to come out alive.. my job is to protect My family… there no parent in the world that will feel different.. not taking out a threat and risking your wife and kids safety.. is something you will never forgive yourself for..
I don’t believe in hitting girls, period. This guy was afraid of the crowd, coming at him, so he wanted to impress them with an overwhelmingly, scary response. If I were him, I’d be embarrassed, but I don’t hit girls, so he’s probably proud of himself.
Okay wow. So at first, I thought these were 15-18 year olds that knew better. It’s still wrong for them to gang up on him BUT I found out by reading the news that he is 6’5 like 200 something pounds and the girl…WAIT for it…was ELEVEN YEARS OLD! (Some sources say 12)
A 51-year-old 6’5 tall and 200-pound man vs. a 11-year old girl. Yeah umm…he could have just WALKED away. They were wrong for ganging up on him, but the whole situation would have been over easily.
Now if they had knives, guns or any type of life threatening force, that’s self defense. At his size, he could have just walked right through them and left.
Here is the background in a New York Post article:
“A burly, 250-pound North Carolina man was arrested after video showed him punching an 11-year-old girl in the face, sending her to the ground with a brutal left hook, video shows.
David Steven Bell, 51, of Black Mountain, attacked the victim after a throng of young girls surrounded him outside the Asheville Mall on Saturday, when the 6-foot-5 man shoved one of them during a heated exchange, video shows.”
Thank you Alicia !!!!!!! The First voice of Sanity and intelligent good sense in here !!!!! IM ON UR SIDE 100% HERE !!!!! YOUR 100% RGHT !!!
I’m, THIS ISN’T ABOUT MALE EGO…..ITS ABOUT RIGHT AND WRONG !!!!
Alicia, Thank you again for your words !!!! This blog NEEDS more ppl like you Ma’am !!!
Fuck her and all her friends. People don’t understand the mob mentality, they must be dealt with swiftly. Its 2019, women are equal!!! Welcome to the real world. Want to act like an animal and a man, get treated like one. Don’t ever fuck with my family, the response will NEVER be proportionate!! Fucking unreal anyone kid would act like towards an adult, oh yeah wait, that’s reinforced on every TV show out there. The parents are dumb asses and the kids know it all. If that was my kid, she’d get another ass whipping when she got home.
It’s 2019 folks. It would have been sexist not to punch her in the face.
Equal rights = Equal Lefts…
This same story happens everyday, only difference is that little gang ends up hurting him and his family and never makes the news.
When confronted with multiple attackers your best bet is to Take out the leader. I agree with this wholehearted. He did the best thing for him and his family, she should have never approached that giant. The little hood rat got what she deserved I woulda broke her face too.
My mother always said, “if she acts like a man, treat her like a man…”
Most mothers are seldom wrong…
Eric, that’s exactly what my mom said! My dad, who bought me a T-Ball-style punching bag in the 1950’s in order to help me learn how to throw an effective punch, told me that “…boys don’t hit girls…”.
People can sit here and argue this till they are blue in the face. Right? Wrong? Coulda? Shoulda? Doesn’t make a bit of difference. It happened, things like this do happen. There’s a little saying that says “you mess with the bull, you get the horns”. Ring any bells? You think people started saying that cause it sounded cool? No, it means you’re actions have consequences and you better not do something unless you’re willing to deal with with the possible repercussions of those actions. Those girls gambled when they decided to mess with him that he would not defend himself. That girl lost that gamble, and how any one feels about whether it’s right or wrong is irrelevant. Some people may turn the other cheek and some may drop you with a well timed, well placed, vicious left. If anyone is to blame it’s her parents for not teaching her to accept responsibility for her actions. There’s a million other guys around who would react the same way. It’s on them if they want to roll the dice and hope the one they choose to pick on is not one of those guys. They may be right most of the time, but the time they’re wrong this is the result and I do not blame him.
the first thing in my mind would be..
i could fucking murder these kids, and if i do lay a hand on them.. im going to jail..
i should just leave quick..
the guy was even an off duty cop.. arent they trained to deal with stuff?
VERY SAD ATITUDE FROM THE BIG GUY
Clearly she self-identified as a 300 lb Adult Street Fighter with Superior martial arts skills. That being said seems she has the right to step into the ring with whoever she likes. Just because she brought her own audience doesn’t guarantee a win. Better luck next time girly.
I’d be interested to know how the situation started and escalated to provide better context. I’ve been in just this situation, though, in schools with very tough girls who would punch me to get to a girl I was trying to restrain, and outside in public places. They don’t back down, and they see weakness as a cue to escalate. I’ve had food thrown at me and was threatened to get “shanked” by a large group of girls the same age as the group in the video, in a restaurant. When I verbally challenged them, they picked up metal chairs to hit me. This guy was surrounded, and had he turned his back, he was likely to be hit by something or someone, or some many. The only thing I would have suggested he could have used is raising his voice volume to command them, as the police do: (eg, “get back!” “do not get near me!”, “don’t approach me!”. “stay away!”.) They wouldn’t have listened, but it would have established that he was defending himself, and for the YouTube video world we live in, that would have been the first thing we noticed.
Equality of aggression doesn’t guarantee equity in its outcome.
Surrounded by a pack of aggressive people be they Male or female. He chose to protect his family from an escalating attack.
Drop one and scare the pack.
Does he wait till a knife or other weapons are drawn.
If he’s not a trained c
Actions have consequences.
The girl found this out (the hard way) but the guy is also going find out (the hard way.)
The whole thing is a classic example of The Monkey Dance writ large.
You CANNOT run your mouth, puff up your chest, charge at somebody, and expect…nothing. What experienced people expect if they do that is an ass-whopping, legally justified or not. The girl is now experienced. Let’s see if she learns from her experience.
Same with the man. You cannot knock somebody unconscious who presents no real clear and present danger, no matter how annoying they are, and expect the “justice” system to just say, “Ah, fuck it. No harm done.”
Read any and every book Rory Miller ever wrote, for a clearer understanding of this shit.
As a martial arts prationer, an adult, a male, AND a human being, I find your “I don’t care” comment to be callous, cold, AND revealling.
We don’t have all of the facts from the snippet of video provided. Who’s to say that the man didn’t start it. Who’s to say he didn’t touch one of them inappropriately, and they were coming to the victim’s defense. We don’t know.
Your “lead in” and presentation of this video, in a way, is a symptom of what’s wrong with society….on several levels which I won’t go into.
Trav, we ALL have bad days. This was certainly one of yours.
Judge all you want. That’s HOW to commit to a punch.
If the girls had found a pile of rocks, the mother and daughter would be attending a funeral rather than a trial. That group of girls were not going to get bored and go home. They were gonna escalate that till SOMETHING happened. He obviously couldn’t run, but even if he did, they would had been right behind. I would be willing to bet his wife would had been in a situation if any more time passed. They would had started with the jokes, then the foul mouths, then a shove out of nowhere, and then……
But instead SOMETHING BIG happened.
It’s just too bad everybody loses here. Especially the little girl that misses her daddy.
Satisfying to watch indeed!
In the video you can see a adult white woman and a young girl by her side standing behind him.If that is his wife and child he was protecting them I do not blame him a bit.Children kill adults every day in America.
I have to admit, that knock out looks brutal but a as many commented here, the video is too short and not always on the big guy and his family to see the overall threat level. That said, as many commented as well, this is a large group of teenagers and nowadays you never know how much of a threat a woman can be. There are most likely at least 3 woman on my street that are better trained in martial arts than I am, and would kick my ass… I’ve seen videos of big guys getting kicked in the face by woman and going down just as hard as this girl did.
I think that if I were him, and my family wasn’t around, I would have tried to just walk away.
In his situation though, I would beobably have ended up doing the same he did, maybe not after pushing her only once, but at some point I would have seen red and attacked instead of just defending. I’ve been in a similar situation and at some point adrenaline takes over and the level of aggression you build up goes beyond reason. This is triggered by fear for yourself and most of all for your family, so if that is how it went for him, who can blame him? Reacting to fear of what could happen to your small kid if you didn’t put a stop to the threat as quickly as possible, makes it very hard to control your strength and thoughts. You don’t have time nor the cool to think of a more gentle way to put an end to the threat.
Oh shit, sorry for my fat fingers and all the typos…
Oh shit, sorry for the typos… writing on a small phone and not looking first what comes out…
Its to bat her moma raised her that way…and forced this guy to finish her upbringing…finishing school as it were.
“finishing school” lol
Tbh it’s difficult to say. He definitely hit her too hard but as Trav said his whole family was also there in the same threatening position and the teenagers in the video were definitely way out of line and, as they were videoing it, likely to escalate to impress their friends.
Now let’s look at that escalation for a second…. would that girl punching him have hurt? Probably not. If she had been allowed to hit him might the other teens have joined in? Definitely.
If his wife and child had seen them attacking him would they have tried to intervene? Probably
Would the teens have attacked them as well. Definitely.
And how many of those teenagers were carrying (let’s face it this is a thing these days) and would they use it ……..
On the internet every thing is black and white, in the street nothing is
Proportional response is flawed, how do you as a victim respond if you just got killed or seriously incapacitated. It should be about credibility in victim’s mind of attacker’s intent & capability.
Or just make an attacker automatically lose their human rights as soon as they attack a victim. The victim automatically gains legal immunity at the same moment the attacker loses their rights. I bet that would stop random street crime.
Fuq her .. She advances on him like she was bringin’ it….she miscalculated…have a nice day
Fuq her .. She advanced on him like she was bringin’ it….she miscalculated…have a nice day
I feel sorry for the guy. I really hope that a jury of adults with families hears the case. It looks bad, but supposing she had managed to incapacitate him by a karate kick to the balls? All the way with Big Guy on this. In fact, if he sets up a crowdfunder, he will get a contribution from me. We’ve all met stupid idiots like that girl in public spaces, and this guy’s done society a very big favour.
I think people would feel different if she was a young white girl…..
Then it would worse if she was white and the man was grown and black….
Call the national guard
I don’t know.
It’s really tough to make the call from a short, shaky video. It LOOKS really bad, though.
From what I can see, it looks completely disproportionate, but, I’m only seeing a small piece of the story.
He could have slipped the punches, smothered the punches, or just taken a punch. She was not about to knock him out. He did NOT need to knock her into next week.
I’m guessing he’s going to deeply regret that decision when his court date comes up.
This is what happens when leaving the kids discipline job to the streets.
Hey, you wanna play hard? Then you have it
They got the social media video they were looking for. That is all many young people care about. Life lesson learned. Punishment or no will depend on the state it happened in.
I believe this; No one should feel they have the right or get away with slapping, hitting or punching someone else and not feel there will be repercussions. A lot of people from both sexes feel one should never hit a female. I, however, feel a punch is a punch, good luck.
I am law enforcement in a juvenile unit. The sad truth is that probably all those punks DESERVED to be POUNDED. But LAW is not about what people DESERVE, it is about what is a REASONABLE amount of force.
What really matters is the lead up to the bit of video we saw and how much the man’s family was threatened.
If they threatened his family verbally, and physically, and if a reasonable person would think that they have the intent and means to carry that threat out and that that threat is imminent, he could probably be safe from serious punishment… I would argue and get a good plea deal with probation… I wouldn’t let a jury decide. In my opinion (experience), most juries are IDIOTS that are too dumb to get out of jury duty, OR have a political ax to grind and will lie on the jury interview process.
If that were my child, or if my child had participated in that incident, they would be suffering very heavy parental discipline, regardless of legal outcome.
These kids now grew up not knowing what it is to get punched in the face and feeling pain. They don’t face consequences for what they say, and being mean because they do it online. Then they face people like themselves who also have a false sense of security. I was born with one hand and was raised in the 80’s in the Bronx N.Y. all my life. I lived in the projects and most of the friends that I made I fought first unfortunately, that’s the way it goes. There was a code and respect though, you don’t disrespect someone unless you were willing to accept the repercussions. Girls fought girls, and if they had a problem with a guy you get your brother or another male, or just call the police. Society has turned everything into guys suck, they get all the breaks, they make more money….but when there is a bump in the night your wife wants you to check it out. Women have been made to believe that they can be tough and disrespect men all they want but you know what? We are human and hurt, and that young girl does not know if that guy had severe PTSD and was a killer in special forces or something. You never underestimate some average joe in the street I learned that lesson. You don’t know whatthat person is going through personally, and most of these young girls disrepect men because they did not have a good father to love them and show them respect and proper judgment.
She got what was coming! All these little kids and bitches think they can do whatever they want and u cant do anything cuz their minors. Well maybe more people need to show these little assholes that u need to respect your elders or else!. It happened to me with 2 17 teen year old boys thinking they were hard throwing their little gang signs. Well I put both them in hospital got arrested!! For assault bodily injury , and assault on 2 minors. but it was all worth it in the end! Maybe they wont let their big ass mouth override their hummingbird
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